Taiwanrocks! Tâi-ôan-chio♿h!

After the Republic of China was defeated in the Chinese Civil War by the communists, the government of the ROC was expelled to China. Many argue that the ROC government is illegitimate, however, in 1979, the Republic of China reformed under president Chiang Ching Kuo who began the long process of "Taiwanization" that replaced many mainland Chinese ROC politicians with natural born Taiwanese citizens, therefore, the governing state of ROC on Taiwan is not a foreign government but a Taiwanese government. Resolution 2758 decided who the legitimate government of China was; however, it did not decide the condition of Taiwan. ROC is not Taiwan. However, the Republic of China is commonly referred to as "Taiwan" or "Formosa." After the Treaty of San Francisco, Taiwan entered a limbo cession (Article 2B), or "any area surrendered by treaty, where the "receiving state or country" (supreme authority; administrative authority) of the transfer of legal sovereignty is not specifically stated or specified." This "limbo cession" had occurred in Cuba in 1899 when Spain did not exactly state where Cuba was ceded to. So who does Taiwan belong to? Complicated answer. Taiwan is under the administration of the Republic of China, however, Taiwan is a sovereign country. In June 25, 1950, Truman stated "The attack upon Korea makes it plain beyond all doubt that communism has passed beyond the use of subversion to conquer independent nations and will now use armed invasion and war? Accordingly I have ordered the 7th Fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa?The determination of the future status of Formosa must await the restoration of security in the Pacific, a peace settlement with Japan, or consideration by the United Nations." The US briefly lifted the blockade, but then reestablished it after the Formosa Resolution. The US Military Government occupied Taiwan until 1979, when official ties with the ROC were cut. However, the United States could still do whatever it wanted with Taiwan. "Japan recognizes the validity of dispositions of property of Japan and Japanese nationals made by or pursuant to directives of the United States Military Government in any of the areas referred to in Articles 2 and 3." (Article 4B) This was resolved when President Truman stated that Taiwan's position was "undefined." Not only that, but the US government stated, ?The United States believes that differences between Taipei and Beijing should be resolved by the people on both sides of the Strait themselves. The U.S. has consistently stated that its abiding interest is that the process be peaceful." This let the legal independence of Taiwan settle on its de facto independence. Obviously, Taiwan has become an independent nation, and was not touched once by the government of the People's Republic of China. The very premier of China cannot touch Taiwan, and Chinese need visas to enter Taiwan. So Taiwan has become de facto independent, and is therefore a country. There are some who argue against this. Below I will answer common questions.After the Republic of China was defeated in the Chinese Civil War by the communists, the government of the ROC was expelled to China. Many argue that the ROC government is illegitimate, however, in 1979, the Republic of China reformed under president Chiang Ching Kuo who began the long process of "Taiwanization" that replaced many mainland Chinese ROC politicians with natural born Taiwanese citizens, therefore, the governing state of ROC on Taiwan is not a foreign government but a Taiwanese government. Resolution 2758 decided who the legitimate government of China was; however, it did not decide the condition of Taiwan. ROC is not Taiwan. However, the Republic of China is commonly referred to as "Taiwan" or "Formosa." After the Treaty of San Francisco, Taiwan entered a limbo cession (Article 2B), or "any area surrendered by treaty, where the "receiving state or country" (supreme authority; administrative authority) of the transfer of legal sovereignty is not specifically stated or specified." This "limbo cession" had occurred in Cuba in 1899 when Spain did not exactly state where Cuba was ceded to. So who does Taiwan belong to? Complicated answer. Taiwan is under the administration of the Republic of China, however, Taiwan is a sovereign country. In June 25, 1950, Truman stated "The attack upon Korea makes it plain beyond all doubt that communism has passed beyond the use of subversion to conquer independent nations and will now use armed invasion and war? Accordingly I have ordered the 7th Fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa?The determination of the future status of Formosa must await the restoration of security in the Pacific, a peace settlement with Japan, or consideration by the United Nations." The US briefly lifted the blockade, but then reestablished it after the Formosa Resolution. The US Military Government occupied Taiwan until 1979, when official ties with the ROC were cut. However, the United States could still do whatever it wanted with Taiwan. "Japan recognizes the validity of dispositions of property of Japan and Japanese nationals made by or pursuant to directives of the United States Military Government in any of the areas referred to in Articles 2 and 3." (Article 4B) This was resolved when President Truman stated that Taiwan's position was "undefined." Not only that, but the US government stated, ?The United States believes that differences between Taipei and Beijing should be resolved by the people on both sides of the Strait themselves. The U.S. has consistently stated that its abiding interest is that the process be peaceful." This let the legal independence of Taiwan settle on its de facto independence. Obviously, Taiwan has become an independent nation, and was not touched once by the government of the People's Republic of China. The very premier of China cannot touch Taiwan, and Chinese need visas to enter Taiwan. So Taiwan has become de facto independent, and is therefore a country. There are some who argue against this. Below I will answer common questions.After the Republic of China was defeated in the Chinese Civil War by the communists, the government of the ROC was expelled to China. Many argue that the ROC government is illegitimate, however, in 1979, the Republic of China reformed under president Chiang Ching Kuo who began the long process of "Taiwanization" that replaced many mainland Chinese ROC politicians with natural born Taiwanese citizens, therefore, the governing state of ROC on Taiwan is not a foreign government but a Taiwanese government. Resolution 2758 decided who the legitimate government of China was; however, it did not decide the condition of Taiwan. ROC is not Taiwan. However, the Republic of China is commonly referred to as "Taiwan" or "Formosa." After the Treaty of San Francisco, Taiwan entered a limbo cession (Article 2B), or "any area surrendered by treaty, where the "receiving state or country" (supreme authority; administrative authority) of the transfer of legal sovereignty is not specifically stated or specified." This "limbo cession" had occurred in Cuba in 1899 when Spain did not exactly state where Cuba was ceded to. So who does Taiwan belong to? Complicated answer. Taiwan is under the administration of the Republic of China, however, Taiwan is a sovereign country. In June 25, 1950, Truman stated "The attack upon Korea makes it plain beyond all doubt that communism has passed beyond the use of subversion to conquer independent nations and will now use armed invasion and war? Accordingly I have ordered the 7th Fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa?The determination of the future status of Formosa must await the restoration of security in the Pacific, a peace settlement with Japan, or consideration by the United Nations." The US briefly lifted the blockade, but then reestablished it after the Formosa Resolution. The US Military Government occupied Taiwan until 1979, when official ties with the ROC were cut. However, the United States could still do whatever it wanted with Taiwan. "Japan recognizes the validity of dispositions of property of Japan and Japanese nationals made by or pursuant to directives of the United States Military Government in any of the areas referred to in Articles 2 and 3." (Article 4B) This was resolved when President Truman stated that Taiwan's position was "undefined." Not only that, but the US government stated, ?The United States believes that differences between Taipei and Beijing should be resolved by the people on both sides of the Strait themselves. The U.S. has consistently stated that its abiding interest is that the process be peaceful." This let the legal independence of Taiwan settle on its de facto independence. Obviously, Taiwan has become an independent nation, and was not touched once by the government of the People's Republic of China. The very premier of China cannot touch Taiwan, and Chinese need visas to enter Taiwan. So Taiwan has become de facto independent, and is therefore a country. There are some who argue against this. Below I will answer common questions.

?Taiwan is not in the UN. Therefore, it is not a country.? -- PRCforever

Does not being in the UN mean you are not a country? Let us take the example of Vatican City. It is not in the UN. However, it is a self governing country with a separate army. Vatican City currently recognizes Taiwan. Kosovo, another country left out by the UN, has received and given support for Taiwan. To name a few others Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Turkish Republic of North Cyprus, Nagorno Karabakh, Somaliland, and Transnistria. You have probably heard of only a few of these countries, most of which are de facto independent. Why are they not in the UN? Outside pressure and manipulation. Kosovo is recognized by 55 members of the UN. However, pressure from Serbia prevents it from entering. For Taiwan is it harder. The People?s Republic is a permanent member of the UN, with Veto power which it has misused to prevent Taiwan for UN bids. China?s economic growth also is attracting more and more followers that want to grab a share of China?s economic boom. 23 UN members recognize Taiwan. All are small countries, and the most well known is Vatican City.

?Taiwan?s Economy is Dependent on China?s Economy? ? Charles Min

I cannot deny the fact that China is one of Taiwan's biggest trading partners, and that 13 billion yuan go between the two countries. However, let us get back on track. Let?s review the definition of ?Country.? ?In common usage, the term country is used in the sense of both nations and states, with definitions varying.? Does it say the status of a country depends on its economic partners? No! China is one of the USA?s biggest trading partners, is the USA a part of China? Taiwan is only doing what the world is doing, to be frank: Sucking up to China to get their economy back! Besides, China?s economy is going down. It has a current GDP of 8%, the lowest in 19 years. China, with it's newfound capitalism, is slowing down so early. Why? Because the worldwide economic slump is crippling its economic boost. Soon, China will be much like Russia today, once a superpower, now with an ailing economy, just like Taiwan, the USA, and Europe. China cannot be invincible forever. In fact, Chinese premier Wen Jia Bao is issuing a STIMULOUS PACKAGE of 1 trillion yuan. A stimullous package already??? And you thought China was the best.

?Taiwan has been a part of China from thousands of years ago? ? Marta Song

First of all, let me state that Taiwan?s sovereignty does not depend on the years it has been part of China, which is?0 years. If sovereignty depended on past ownership USA would be part of Britain. A review of Taiwan?s history: 1400?s-1500, Europeans (Dutch and Spanish) use Taiwan as territory for trading. 1600-1800?s, Qing dynasty takes over Taiwan after Zheng Jing threatens to overthrow their weak government. Note that the Qing were from MANCHU and therefore Taiwan was not ruled by a government based on the Han people. So Taiwan was a part of MANCHURIA, not China. In fact, Han Chinese were prevented from participating in the Qing government. 1800?s ? 1949, Japanese rule. Taiwan was liberated by the San Francisco Peace treaty in 1949. 1949- 1970, Administration of the Republic of China while under the military government of the USA. 1970- Present, sovereign country under administration of the Republic of China. Ok fine, you want to count Qing Dynasty as a Chinese dynasty, then go ahead. But that?s only 200 years, less than America under British rule.

No One Recognizes Taiwan ? Chinesevietguy

Well, that?s not true. 23 Countries recognize Taiwan.

Burkina Faso, Gambia, São Tomé and Príncipe, Swaziland, Vatican City (The Holy See), Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu , Belize, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.

USA unofficially has a de facto embassy in Taiwan: AIT. Taiwan and it?s administrator ROC are in the Olympics Organization and WTO, as Chinese Taipei, however, but alas, still a country.

One China Policy ? ?Taiwan, an Inalienable part of China? by the Chinese Government

What does the one China policy say? It says PRC owns China and ROC doesn?t. It also prevents the recognition of the ROC. China has falsely connected Taiwan and ROC together to make it harder for Taiwan?s recognition. Quote WashingtonBureaucrat ? ?So, we come back to the central issue, specifically: Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895. Since that time, there are no international legal documents which can prove that Taiwan has ever been ceded back to China. Hence, there is no validity in asserting that the One China Policy includes the premise that Taiwan belongs to China or is somehow part of China.?

The US Millitary government on Taiwan was never legally supplanted.

In the USA governments OFFICIAL website, USA.gov, Taiwan is not stated in any way as part of America. http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/State_and_Territories.shtml

Plus, USMG left Taiwan in 1970. So, Taiwan is not a part of the USA

"The Cairo Declaration states Taiwan was returned to the Republic of China"

The Cairo declaration was nthing more than a press release. The Treaty of San Francisco ENDED WW2.

Lets be honest, Taiwan isn?t a part of China. We need not the political proofs; Taiwan is separately governed from China in every way. I await the time the country TAIWAN is recognized by the people, as it should. I await the time the tyrannical PRC China stops bothering Taiwan and its citizens. I await Taiwan for UN.

10 COMMENTS:

Kid with addiction to Linkin Park said...

TAIWAN ROXXXXXXX THERE IS NO WAY CHINA IS GOING TO SAY WE ARE THEIR'S!!!!! TAIWAN DOESN'T NEED TO BE FREED, WE ARE FREE!!!!!!

-american born taiwanese

MARCH 6, 2009 9:35 AM

Taiwanrox said...

Yah, I don't think I said Taiwan wasn't free.

MARCH 6, 2009 4:01 PM

Richard@insular said...

According to the lawsuit of Roger Lin v. United States of America, Taiwan is neither a part of China nor independent. Taiwan is occupied territory.

The principal occupying power is, according to the 1952 Senate ratified San Francisco Peace Treaty, the United States of America. The ROC in Taiwan is merely a proxy force.

See more details at http://court.civil-taiwan.org

MARCH 7, 2009 6:58 AM

Taiwanrox said...

Richard: I agree with you, the USMG did occupy Taiwan, however, if you recall, they left Taiwan in 1970, leaving ROC in administration and Taiwan's status was then determined by its de facto independence.

MARCH 7, 2009 10:55 AM

Kid with addiction to Linkin Park said...

wait... didn't Taiwan become "free" after that thing where we won our independence??? just as a general question. thanks

MARCH 7, 2009 11:00 AM

Taiwanrox said...

Lets take a look at the official US governments territories.

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/State_and_Territories.shtml

Notice Taiwan is not there

MARCH 7, 2009 11:18 AM

Taiwanrox said...

Yah, Taiwan is free in every way. We have democracy, freedom of speech, and a constitution.

MARCH 7, 2009 11:19 AM

Kid with addiction to Linkin Park said...

Of course. Thank you. I understand more fully what it meant. Sorry for making a disruption.

MARCH 18, 2009 11:46 AM

Taiwanrox said...

disruption? I'm not communist man, you can say whatever you want!

MARCH 18, 2009 8:02 PM

Kid with addiction to Linkin Park said...

thanx dude... ur awesome keep doing what your doing

MARCH 25, 2009 9:14 AM